http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php WCWN General Forum WCWN Forums - UBB.threads(tm) http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362963#Post362963 Posted by Larry Roberts:
Not exactly a "pairing," but trying to cellar-taste Bordeaux varieties after munching a maple bar for breakfast. Don't do this at home!]]> Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:42:56 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362962#Post362962 Posted by larry schaffer:
Just an update - I am now on the Board of Directors of the Rhone Rangers are we are taking the problem on as we speak. We're working on something very cool for November, something the likes of Zaca Mesa, Qupe, Arnot-Roberts, and many others have signed on for. I will keep you all posted - but above all, don't lose faith in the potential for domestic syrahs . . . I know I haven't! Cheers!]]> Sat, 31 Jul 2010 09:45:17 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362958#Post362958 Posted by Curt Wood:
Dry Creek labels their red blend "Meritage".]]> Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:35:10 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362928#Post362928 Posted by Steve_Felten:
Larry, saw your editorial in the SLO Tribune. A case of Norman Vineyards Monster Zin against a case of Penman Springs Artisan Cuvee says The Bums finish ahead of the Jints in the division race.]]> Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:16:59 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362924#Post362924 Posted by GeorgePauls:
I just had dinner in Zion National Park and was recommended to try the Castle Creek chard. great wine, great view from the terrace and one hell of a day walking up the Narrows. Viva Utah!! ]]> Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:10:41 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362907#Post362907 Posted by Dave Cuneo:
Unless, of course,you are making "green wine", aka Vinho Verde.]]> Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:30:24 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362903#Post362903 Posted by Dave Cuneo:
Bob, The Marines who fought on Iwo Jima, when they returned home after the war to their families, would never, ever talk about their experiences on that island, unless it was to another Marine who had been there. Why? It was because the fighting on Iwo was so fierce and intense, the trauma kept them from discussing it outside of those that had experienced it. They had peered into the belly of the beast, into their own heart and souls, and had seen the monster that lay within themselves, and within the enemy, that could be unleashed under the right circumstances, a monster that could not be reconciled with the civilized world that they had come from. I mention this because it is the best comparison I can come up with to describe the horrors I experienced in the retail wine world. The situation you describe is just typical of what goes on in that world. All the wines in that (locked) cooler were the ones that sell for $100 or more. Can you imagine a warehouse that is not temperature controlled d]]> Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:18:37 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362876#Post362876 Posted by TomHill:
[quote=BEB][quote=Bruce L.]I am contractually required to ask if Tom Hill has been following it from the very start......[/quote] Interesting quote from the article: "The Mother Vine produces sweet scuppernong grapes, a variety of muscadine. 'In all the world the like abundance is not to be found,' two of Sir Walter Raleigh's explorers wrote from Roanoke Island in 1584. The island's grapes helped sustain Raleigh's settlers before the 1587 Lost Colony mysteriously disappeared forever." Makes you wonder if perhaps scuppernog might have contributed to their disappearance. A little known factoid almost as mysterious as the Lost Colony itself was a cryptic note found near the fort on Roanoke Island: "....cloudy/not clean; lacks acids/poor acidification control lacking balance with overly sweetish/Christmas pudding cloying thou tongue and cheeks with foxy/sauvage/musty/post-muskrat love finisheth reminiscent of south side of porcine breaking wind (Manchester colloquialism) while enjoying boiled cabbage and oyst]]> Wed, 28 Jul 2010 05:36:45 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362866#Post362866 Posted by Brad Harrington:
So far, knock on wood, everything has worked. I had to download new drivers for my printer but was able to find them no problem. They auto-loaded and appear to be working. When we bought this computer 1.5 years ago, we did our best to be sure that everything was Windows 7 compliant, even though we were using XP.]]> Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:41:44 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362820#Post362820 Posted by blil:
If screwcaps destroy the environment, you can go ahead and call me "BP." In addition to numerous other wines, we drank through a case of Trivento Malbec last week (family reunion, lots of heavy drinkers - don't ask.) and two of them were corked. Good thing it's a $9 bottle of wine and not a $30 Malbec. Sorry, traditionalists, I'll take a screwcap any day.]]> Sun, 25 Jul 2010 06:55:28 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362815#Post362815 Posted by Roland Dumas:
Yes, it's there! Clear evidence. The Ridge folks found this vintage video of Paul Draper and Julia Child. They pan a line of bottles and there it is, white zinfandel. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffy2xvVksqw&feature=player_embedded]Julia Child and Paul Draper[/url] This is on the Ridge channel at YouTube]]> Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:49:58 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362813#Post362813 Posted by Michael Pare:
Has anyone been to Mendoza? I am going in a couple of weeks and will have one extra day free to wonder around on my own. It's a Sunday, if that matters. Anything you recommend I should see, should go to, etc? Thanks, Michael P.]]> Sat, 24 Jul 2010 06:29:48 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362793#Post362793 Posted by JFO:
[quote=BEB] Of course, you could always have them ship you some! :cool: Good to see you post. [/quote] Oh brother....... :) Does it pair with pralines and peanut soup?]]> Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:25:55 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362791#Post362791 Posted by Michael Pare:
I live and work in WI, and there is one guy who constantly - I mean weekly if not at least every other week - sends out and email saying, among other things: "We have 97%/83%/100% [etc] of the states allocation of XYZ Wine Spectator Top 100 wine of the year..." AND "We have the lowest price in the country..." Not state, not midwest, or any other smaller area, but the country. 'Lil crazy, but he sells a $h!t ton of wine, is very successful. More power to him. Michael P.]]> Fri, 23 Jul 2010 05:41:10 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362764#Post362764 Posted by Casey Hartlip:
I think this will be a late one. There's talk of powdery mildew showing up in many vineyards. I've found some this past week. Some stuff is starting to have cluster closure and canopy is pretty heavy in lots of fields. We're just starting to water a couple of the weaker areas just now, which shows the type of year its been. Grenache has shattered pretty bad as has Cab. Zin crop looks normal with loose, long clusters. Pet looks tight as always but shorter than normal. Typical hens & chicks in Sangio that won't need thinning. Counoise clusters are big and berries are very small still. We'll have to drop lots to make it. Starting to hear from many customers about how things look. Its like everyone woke up this past week and had the same thought. I had a week off and went to Seattle to see my new grandson. Sure was nice to get off the ranch for a spell.]]> Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:15:48 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362758#Post362758 Posted by Bob Foster:
We are going on a cruise next year that stops in Bordeaux. Anyone got any favorite wine bars in that area?]]> Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:33:07 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362753#Post362753 Posted by Bob Hunnicutt:
I'll just leave it as the family does not have a good reputation locally.]]> Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:11:47 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362752#Post362752 Posted by Bob Davis:
I'd find it interesting Too bad I live 3000 miles away. There several Chard producers in CA I really like and it would be nice to ID a few more. Bob]]> Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:22:33 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362742#Post362742 Posted by BEB:
oHHHH, NOW it makes perfect sense! [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzka8Jg8lXw[/video] ]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:32:38 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362727#Post362727 Posted by ksyrah:
[quote=Florida Jim]Vissoux with dinner tonight. Salut! Best, Jim [/quote] I had Vissoux (2005 Fleurie Garants) with dinner last night. Wasn't a big dinner since it followed a four and a half hour lunch, but the Vissoux was mighty fine. -Al]]> Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:03:39 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362713#Post362713 Posted by BEB:
Two Hundred year old champagne found on shipwreck in Baltics. [url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38289110/ns/world_news-europe?GT1=43001]The story can be read here.[/url] Believed to be from the 1780s, one of the divers said of the wine, "It tasted fantastic. It was a very sweet champagne, with a tobacco taste and oak" ..... This is sounding familiar! No word as to any engravings on the bottles.... (Actually, given the storage conditions, it's very possible that the wine [u][i][b]is [/b][/i][/u]drinkable.)]]> Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:20:19 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362705#Post362705 Posted by JFO:
Put the bottle on the kitchen floor. Insert several sheets of saran, etal. Arrange candles around the bottle in a circle that has the bottle in the center of a 5 foot diameter circle. This is key, is your kitchen big enough? Move the table if you have to. Now get a pillow and sit on it next to the circle. Have someone dim the lights and be sure to light the candles. Now begin chanting: Hoooommmmmeeee...manay potmay hmmmmmm Hooooooommmmmmmeeee.....manay potmay hmmmmmmmmm Or you could just throw it down the drain. Color me as part of JTO's Camp.]]> Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:36:03 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362689#Post362689 Posted by TomHill:
So, interesting title on an article in today's SFChron: [url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/16/FDJG1E8FD5.DTL&type=wine]SFChron/LeafrollVirus[/url] And then I spied the author's name...our sweet AliceF***ing. Against my better judgement, I decided to read it anyway. Surprise/surprise.... it's actually a rather good article. Not one mention of Parker anywhere (thought sure she'd offer up some kind of conspiracy theory that Parker was behind the mealybug pest). None of the usual/self-indulgent/whiney tone that characterizes her previous writings. None of the polemics against alcohol & oak or in favor of "natural" wines. It's sort of a "stealth" article in support of organic & biodynamic growing, but totally free of her strident/preachy character. Maybe not a really profound article...but reasonably informative and straightforward. I learned something from it. Good job, Alice. Tom ]]> Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:25:51 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362653#Post362653 Posted by JFO:
Others have picked up on it too. Here: http://www.decanter.com/news/news.php?id=300137]]> Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:31:34 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362611#Post362611 Posted by PatrickC:
For a very limited reference point, I just had the 2007 Les Clos from Brocard on Monday. Undoubtedly a very good wine, but lacked the interest factor I get from most Fevre or C. Moreau's. It was very much in balance, but I think the acidity I like in young Chablis seemed lacking. FWIW I didn't find oak noticible, but i'm not phobic about it either. ]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:53:21 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362606#Post362606 Posted by Dave Cuneo:
I will keep a lookout for the "tongue cutter". :~) Way back in the day Giacomo Conterno made a dry, ageable Freisa which was quite good. You would have loved it - I wonder if you ever tried it, and whether they still make it? Pecorino (white, Umbria) is also quite interesting. dc]]> Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:47:59 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362586#Post362586 Posted by Bob Davis:
In general, I tend to agree with your observation. (Though if you had tasted a 10yo Rochioli West Block we opened last year you'd be surprised at how quickly it fell apart.) Some of them, mainly the Cabs, I just don't like any more. Almost completely lost my taste for most Cabernets. I AM keeping the Monte Bellos and some others. The real problem is that I have other wines in the cellar I like almost as much as these I'm pretty sure have no auction value. Therefore it's a choice. Keep them all and let the ones I would not auction go over the hill or sell the ones I can get some $$ for. I'm just not real crazy about how some of the listed wines and the others that I'm keeping age. I prefer the Carlisles almost right out of the shipper. I have about 8-9 cases of Carlisles and anything that made the auction list were only ones I had more than a bottle of. Also, we opened a Paloma Syrah a couple weeks ago and decided it was nothing special and if they had some value, get rid of them. I'm sti]]> Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:47:22 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362570#Post362570 Posted by Kim Adams:
Looking good, Brad!!]]> Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:21:41 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362544#Post362544 Posted by Brad Harrington:
Quick, run to the cellar!!]]> Sun, 11 Jul 2010 12:22:39 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362543#Post362543 Posted by Brad Harrington:
I upgraded the font size to 9pt, is that better?]]> Sun, 11 Jul 2010 12:16:52 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362529#Post362529 Posted by Andrew M c N e e s:
http://www.saxumvineyards.com/home cool new look]]> Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:02:40 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362510#Post362510 Posted by P_Gatti:
IIRC, he published some comments about not feeling safe traveling so soon after 9/11, wasn't sure about airline / airport security, wasn't comfortable about the possibility of further upheaval and unrest, and just stayed home. The Bordelais went white as sheets, and the prices were puny. Telling, but not conclusive with only one data point. Especially since the wines weren't very good compared to 01,00,99,98,96,95,etc., anyway.]]> Fri, 09 Jul 2010 01:51:20 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362500#Post362500 Posted by BEB:
Some interesting stuff in the review [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/07/AR2010070703558.html]which can be read here.[/url] The idea that we might never have had the 16th Amendment (income tax) but as a trade off for embracing Prohibition is sobering (no pun intended). That James Madison drank a pint of whiskey a day rejuvenates, but does not embolden, me.]]> Thu, 08 Jul 2010 13:08:06 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362499#Post362499 Posted by herried:
Nice winery. Worth the drive up Howell Mtn which isn't that far.It's by appointment and $10 to taste which is the norm for Napa. Good wines I especially liked the SB. I think it's owned by Plumpjack. I would recommend a visit.]]> Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:38:57 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362498#Post362498 Posted by Bryan Gros:
Thanks. I won't ask you how to pronounce the french word for pepper...]]> Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:12:23 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362416#Post362416 Posted by TomHill:
JonBonne, one of the few wine writers around w/ an original thought, had a nice/thoughtful/thought-provoking article in ystrday's Chron: [url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/02/FD8H1E6NLO.DTL&type=wine]SFChron: Bonne on 5 Themes[/url] Nothing terribly profound or earth-shattering, but nicely done. Tom ]]> Mon, 05 Jul 2010 13:26:12 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362411#Post362411 Posted by Bob Cuozzi:
Yes, that really does meet the trifecta qualification ....... and I am honored that you felt no need to open it while I was visiting :grin: But after all that great wine we opened Friday & Saturday maybe you need a rest ;) Cheers, Bob]]> Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:21:54 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362407#Post362407 Posted by Greg Anglea:
I'm proud to be her godfather...it won't be long before she'll be the one I call from the aisles of wine exchange for advice...]]> Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:08:38 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362372#Post362372 Posted by JFO:
Napa vs. Sonoma That's been my experience. The former treats you as a meal ticket, the latter, like family. Dry Creek Vyd, Simi, Arrowood, Ferrari-Carano, it didn't matter where we were. The only Napa exception of the trip was Frank Family who were amazing. All the rest were so so with one (Frog's Leap) being complete asses. J]]> Fri, 02 Jul 2010 06:16:37 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362354#Post362354 Posted by blil:
We get a mixed case from them twice a year. Just outstanding quality from top to bottom. It's one of those wineries you hope gets the recognition it is due; yet you're thrilled to be able to buy from them at under-the-radar prices. And yes, their guest house is a fantastic place to spend the week if you're visiting Paso Robles. ]]> Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:55:36 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362336#Post362336 Posted by Jeff Baron:
[quote=BEB]Wait a minute. A one time software purchase fee of (not sure but think it was $60 +/-) for software that performs everything I need or $30/$60/$100[b] a year[/b] depending on the size of my cellar plus the non-monetary cost of frustration when I cannot access the internet for everything I need. Please tell me what I'm missing here. [/quote] You never know what you need until you see something that you don't have!!]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:23:40 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362306#Post362306 Posted by BEB:
Good info, Steve. Thanks. And I still think about the Clos Jebsel from R&RR. ]]> Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:50:07 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362273#Post362273 Posted by Bob Hunnicutt:
Had Kendric at a PN tasting a couple weeks ago and was impressed. Tried the '06 & '07 and preferred the '07.]]> Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:17:53 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362266#Post362266 Posted by JimClarke:
Make Long Shadows one of your stops. You may need to call for an appointment. They have a stable of 7 different wines all made by a different wine making team including guys like Randy Dunn, John Duval and Philippe Melka. http://www.longshadows.com/]]> Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:03:55 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362241#Post362241 Posted by Ken Zinns:
My write-up is now online at Grape-Nutz.com for the first-ever Bay Area Natural Wine Consortium tasting, held at Terroir in San Francisco on June 12th: [url=http://www.grape-nutz.com/kenz/10_natural.html] Bay Area Natural Wine Consortium Tasting – June 12th, 2010[/url] Notes on wines from Broc Cellars, Dashe Cellars, Donkey & Goat, and Edmunds St. John. I'll add the tasting notes to the TN board as well.]]> Wed, 23 Jun 2010 07:13:13 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362239#Post362239 Posted by BEB:
[quote=TomHill][quote=JFO]I think it's a total crap shoot. I've had $8 wines that lasted way longer than 2 or 4 days, and more expensive wines that were bad on day 2. I will say that I think older wines never last like that. In my experience, it's always been a younger wine. When I was in CA in 2008, Arrowood was pouring their Monte Rosso Cabernet from a bottle that had been opened a week before. It was delicious. I've also seen where Giacosa tastes people on his Barolo when it's been open for weeks. I once had a bottle of Rosemount Diamond Shiraz that I forgot about on the kitchen counter for a week. Before I poured it down the drain I figured I'd taste it. It was awesome. I was shocked. So i've not noticed any pattern at all other than the young v. old scenario. J [/quote] I'm with the FoMan here... [/quote] +2; it's a complete crap shoot. I have only rarely opened a bottle intending to leave it more than the next day, but occasionally leftovers do sit around. Results very similar to]]> Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:28:45 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362223#Post362223 Posted by Patrick DeLozier:
Kinda surprised no mention of Storybook Mountain. Jerry made some very age-worthy zins back in the 80's, very early 90's. Claret-like, very enjoyable at the age of 10-15 years. I've still got one left (85 I think) I've been saving for an appropriate wine geek event. ]]> Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:45:57 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362222#Post362222 Posted by Michael Pare:
Thanks for the note on this. I was waiting for this book for a while too, but cancelled my back order so as not to just be surprised one day. I will look this up. Michael P.]]> Tue, 22 Jun 2010 05:41:06 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362212#Post362212 Posted by Roland Dumas:
[quote=Roland Dumas]Some years ago, I bought a book on biodynamic gardening to give me some clues how to better manage the back yard vegetables. [/quote] And as I wrote that, I looked at a mass of sprouting seeds in compost I spread on the garden. Thinking I was about to be overrun by pumpkins or something, I plucked them all out. A few escaped my notice and have become artichoke plants. I have a garden full of volunteer artichokes! See what BD does? You chant over pumpkin seeds and end up with an artichoke plantation! ;) ]]> Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:40:08 PDT http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=362211#Post362211 Posted by Eric_Anderson:
This isn't unlike the BD controversy. I didn't read Dave's column, so it's tough to tell if he's merely trying to counter the current impetus of natural wine, or tilting at windmills, or just looking for recognition in the on-going battle of verbiage. Either way, the "healthy" discussion is both valid and useful to some, if an irritant to others. Maybe the outfall will be a greater recognition of EVERYTHING that goes into winemaking, and a reevaluation of current methods - whatever they may be. ]]> Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:26:53 PDT