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#372786 - 03-14-2012 13:54:44 White House won't disclose wine list
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The WH, apparently with an eye toward November, won't disclose the wines or their prices, in connection with the state dinner honoring PM Cameron. Article here. Politics aside, I'd like to know the wines served and the pairings made. I don't care if they serve $100+ wines. However, I probably would care if they served $1,000+ wines .... That aside, it's a state dinner and, in my opinion, should be spectacular.
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#372788 - 03-14-2012 15:34:06 Re: White House won't disclose wine list [Re: BEB]
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Exactly. Who cares? I'm betting the White House doesn't pay "value" for the wines if they are $1,000 bottles. It's got to be prestigious to have your wine served at State Dinner. They probably get it for winery cost.
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#372793 - 03-14-2012 16:49:04 the While House probably pays retail for wine [Re: JFO]
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Originally Posted By: JFO
Exactly. Who cares? I'm betting the White House doesn't pay "value" for the wines if they are $1,000 bottles. It's got to be prestigious to have your wine served at State Dinner. They probably get it for winery cost.


I saw a show on Discovery about the White House. When purchasing food, the staff--in plain clothes--purchases food anomalously from various stores. This is to avoid any chance of intentional food contamination. My guess is the wine is purchased in a similar process. Otherwise the Secret Service would have to verify the delivery chain. Thus the wine is probably purchased at retail price.

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#372797 - 03-14-2012 19:17:04 Probably not [Re: Paul Nelson]
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Originally Posted By: Paul Nelson
Originally Posted By: JFO
Exactly. Who cares? I'm betting the White House doesn't pay "value" for the wines if they are $1,000 bottles. It's got to be prestigious to have your wine served at State Dinner. They probably get it for winery cost.

..... My guess is the wine is purchased in a similar process. Otherwise the Secret Service would have to verify the delivery chain. Thus the wine is probably purchased at retail price.

Not according to the article. It quotes Ware as saying,
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... the winery was approached by the White House and asked to choose which of its wines to serve. The price the winery charged the White House was “closer to the $115” than to $399, Ware said, while declining to name the price.
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#372803 - 03-15-2012 03:32:36 Re: White House won't disclose wine list [Re: BEB]
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Just my guess, but I would suspect that wines chosen by the WH (regardless of the party in power) also reflect the political leanings of the owners of the winery...Iron Horse sparklers are served far more often than many others under a democrat administration (follow the $$$$$). Republican donors wineries are served much more often during their terms.

I'll assure you, the wines served at the state dinner will be disclosed within hours of the dinner.

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#372805 - 03-15-2012 12:20:08 Re: White House won't disclose wine list [Re: Fred Berry]
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You're right - Eric Levine, of Cellar Tracker fame, was a guest at the dinner, and put up the wines, including pictures, on Facebook.

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#372807 - 03-15-2012 15:08:30 Re: White House won't disclose wine list [Re: John Tomasso]
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Originally Posted By: John Tomasso
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NV Thibaut-Janisson Brut - USA, Virginia, Central Region, Monticello
(Beb - doesn't that just make your heart glow with pride?)

2009 Peter Michael Chardonnay Ma Belle-Fille - USA, California, Sonoma County, Knights Valley


The Thibaut-Janisson is a very nice bubbly for ~$25, but to be followed by the Belle-Fille would make it seem stripped and very lean. Nevertheless, I'd prefer to see Claude Thibaut's efforts on display than many of the other Va. possibilities.
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#372809 - 03-15-2012 17:36:42 Dr. Vino reveals all [Re: Fred Berry]
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Link to Dr. Vino on Cameron State Dinner
Looks like the Thibault-Janisson was only for the pass around crostini. And the comments about the dessert pairing continues to make me think that the WH staff is challenged when it comes to pairing food and wine.
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#372811 - 03-15-2012 18:10:37 Re: Dr. Vino reveals all [Re: BEB]
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Link to Dr. Vino on Cameron State Dinner
Looks like the Thibault-Janisson was only for the pass around crostini. And the comments about the dessert pairing continues to make me think that
the WH staff is challenged when it comes to pairing food and wine.


There, all fixed. smile
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#372812 - 03-15-2012 18:12:53 Re: Dr. Vino reveals all [Re: BEB]
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I heard Barry and Michele have an official "taster" who has to taste the food and wines an hour before serving, to see if they have been tampered with.

It was said that nixon secretly had Ch. Margaux served for himself while everyone else was getting the standard stuff. If I was President, I would have Quintarelli secretly poured for me.
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#372813 - 03-15-2012 19:08:18 Re: Dr. Vino reveals all [Re: Dave Cuneo]
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Very true about the tasters, for all presidents. I'm surprised it's such a long time before the food is served.
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#372814 - 03-15-2012 19:13:54 Re: Dr. Vino reveals all [Re: Dave Cuneo]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Cuneo
I heard Barry and Michele have an official "taster" who has to taste the food and wines an hour before serving, to see if they have been tampered with.

It was said that nixon secretly had Ch. Margaux served for himself while everyone else was getting the standard stuff. If I was President, I would have Quintarelli secretly poured for me.


Yes, that is true for all Presidents. I saw it on TV! smile
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#372816 - 03-15-2012 19:19:56 Re: Dr. Vino reveals all [Re: Bob Davis]
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In case of slow acting poisons.


Edited by Dave Cuneo (03-15-2012 20:33:54)
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#372817 - 03-15-2012 19:43:48 Re: White House won't disclose wine list [Re: BEB]
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I'd love to know how the White House "garden" can grow produce through winter?! They must have some serious greenhouses or something. I know it's been warm, but not that warm.
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#372821 - 03-16-2012 05:22:59 Re: the While House probably pays retail for wine [Re: Paul Nelson]
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What?
No wholesaler's prices???

You know, if I was president somehow, I'd be pretty disappointed if there wasn't a stash of really good stuff in the cellar....
That, and good seats at the olympics, would be the only thing that would make the job worth while!

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#372823 - 03-16-2012 15:03:55 Re: the While House probably pays retail for wine [Re: Bryan Gros]
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No kidding.

And I'd use a presidential directive to make sure that cigar smoking was once again legal in the white house.
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#372824 - 03-16-2012 15:12:30 Re: the While House probably pays retail for wine [Re: blil]
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It isn't? Obama smokes. At least he used to after he became president. I doubt he had to go outside to do it. The SS would probably try to prevent that.
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#372830 - 03-16-2012 21:07:19 Re: the While House probably pays retail for wine [Re: Bryan Gros]
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